The desktop package pool contains some complete desktop package collections and then topped up with 2500 "most wanted" popcon packages, whereas the pool1 package pool merely is the 5000 most wanted packages.

In both cases the choice collection is filtered against currently available packages (at building time), expanded to include the first-options Depends and Recommends, and also including first-option choices for any so called "pure virtual" packages.

why so different size?

The "desktop" ISO just includes the packages for the actual desktop in question but the "pool" ISO includes as many packages from the top of the popcon list as is possible to fit on a DVD.

Can you find that installer on those ISO images? It's probably better to learn things yourself rather than rely on others to spoon-feed you information as if you were a small child. Empower yourself.

I think the traditional Debian installer ("d-i") is available in both from the boot menu but I might be wrong. Just use the netinstall ISO and select the installer from the boot menu. That's what I always do and it always works.

devuan_chimaera_4.1_0_amd64_pool1.iso is a package pool only iso that doesn't contain the installer software. It contains the 5000 "most popular" packages for amd64 architecture installations according to popcon.debian.org at the date of the creation of the iso, plus their "depends" and "recommends".

deepforest wrote:

why i cant here do the same?

As HoaS implied in the very first reply to this thread, you can. With the not-refracta bootable install image.

If you insist on using the live image, a workaround has already been suggested.

Complaining about a missing feature in refracta installer achieves nothing. If you really want it, nobody is stopping you from implementing it yourself.

Thank you.
This is non refracta?
https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/
and what difference between
https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/devuan_chimaera_4.0.0_i386_desktop.iso
and
https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devuan_chimaera/installer-iso/devuan_chimaera_4.1_0_amd64_pool1.iso
?

why i cant here do the same?

As HoaS implied in the very first reply to this thread, you can. With the not-refracta bootable install image.

If you insist on using the live image, a workaround has already been suggested.

Complaining about a missing feature in refracta installer achieves nothing. If you really want it, nobody is stopping you from implementing it yourself.

...It may not offer all of the bells and whistles that other installers do, but what it does offer, it offers it well...

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Completely agree with you!
Gparted solves all partitioning and formatting issues.

But I asked why the formatting function was added with the principle "either all or nothing"?
It is usually needed when reinstalling, but in the case of a separate /home partition, it is useless and dangerous.

aluma wrote:

1. During installation, formatting is mandatory for the "/" partition and is not allowed without a direct user selection for the /home partition.

I don't understand what you are saying here, but it sounds wrong.

It is not mandatory for the installer to format the chosen partition(s) but it is mandatory for them to have a filesystem if you want them to contain files, and formatting is the default setting.

You can partition and format before running the installer and tell the installer not to format. That's a checkbox in the options menu of the graphical installer and it's a config file setting in the cli installer.

You have the choice to install the entire system to one partition, or you could optionally have separate partitions for /boot and/or /home.

The installer doesn't know what to do with your old home or the user configs it contains. It's up to you to figure out any conflicts caused by mismatched or missing config files caused by sharing a home between two different operating systems.

as usual, on others distros i can use one /home partition for many linux os with separeted user folders, why i cant here do the same?

While I will agree that "getting used to it" may be a hindrance to some people, once you get used to it, it's stinkin' spectacular!!!

It may not offer all of the bells and whistles that other installers do, but what it does offer, it offers it well.

I'll take the Refracta Installer over the buggy Calamares installer any day.

...but that's just me. Many thanks to the developer of the Refracta Installer! Just know that your work is appreciated!!!

Refracta does not allow you to choose to install with separate partitions "/" and "/home" without formatting the latter.
This is nonsense, in my opinion.

Here  https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=38079#p38079   the option with separate sections and formatting "/" was chosen, the result is that both are formatted.

1. During installation, formatting is mandatory for the "/" partition and is not allowed without a direct user selection for the /home partition.

I don't understand what you are saying here, but it sounds wrong.

It is not mandatory for the installer to format the chosen partition(s) but it is mandatory for them to have a filesystem if you want them to contain files, and formatting is the default setting.

You can partition and format before running the installer and tell the installer not to format. That's a checkbox in the options menu of the graphical installer and it's a config file setting in the cli installer.

You have the choice to install the entire system to one partition, or you could optionally have separate partitions for /boot and/or /home.

The installer doesn't know what to do with your old home or the user configs it contains. It's up to you to figure out any conflicts caused by mismatched or missing config files caused by sharing a home between two different operating systems.

...It's simple enough, just install to your system partition, & then add your old /home partition to /etc/fstab.

With all due respect to colleagues and developers ..
1. During installation, formatting is mandatory for the "/" partition and is not allowed without a direct user selection for the /home partition.
2. Is it really so difficult today to create a program that would not force the user to fool himself with editing fstab and moving folders?
And if the /home section contains a terabyte of the user's archive, where should they be copied with this installation?
3. Why don't Q4os or openSuse have such problems?
4. In the end, it's just indecent to have such an installer today, I think so.

I apologize for the offtopic, but I already had the "pleasure" of using the refracta.

fsmithred wrote:

..Please be aware that the default action is to format any partitions you select. If you select a partition with data you want to keep, you will lose it.

  In my experience, this is the first installer that formats the /home partition.
This is wrong and I can give examples of other distributions that don't do this by default.
What is the need for such a solution?

Refractainstaller is just that, it installs the distro, (originally just Refracta), as that was what it was written for - the fact that other distros choose to use it as well is proof that it works for its intended purpose.

It's simple enough, just install to your system partition, & then add your old /home partition to /etc/fstab.