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			<title><![CDATA[Re: [SOLVED] What is wrong with chimaera and network]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=32821#p32821</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>ralph.ronnquist wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>.. my longer story is something like the following.</p><p>Networking in chimaera is really the same as in all prior system versions; it&#039;s a kernel function to operate the interfaces that dynamically rely on their configurations, and there are some forms of user software available for the administration of those configurations.</p><p>The first and oldest unit of such software is nowadays called <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span> in Devuan (Debian).</p><p><span class="bbc">ifupdown</span> implements an administration principle where the administrator documents their desired configurations using a special purpose scripting language written into one or more plain text files starting with <span class="bbc">/etc/network/interfaces</span>. The software is modular with a core bit that offers the adminstration programs <span class="bbc">ifup</span>, <span class="bbc">ifdown</span> and <span class="bbc">ifstate</span> as well as the hook-in to the boot process and the hotplug event handling. <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span> also provides a well-documented API for extensions that allows for other software packages to be seamlessly incorporated into the networking operations as if belonging to <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span>; e.g., handling DHCP, handling wireless connectivity, VPN setup and whatnot.</p><p>On the side of that we find a couple of network management software packages (package groups), where <span class="bbc">chimaera</span> in particular includes the two named <span class="bbc">connman</span> and <span class="bbc">network-manager</span>. These implement their own ideas of the network configuration task, with a common aim to make networking configuration be administrated &quot;more easily&quot; than by using the special purpose scripting language and programs of <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span>, and most importantly to provide a &quot;security bypass&quot; that empowers non-root users with network administration abilities.</p><p>A side effect of that is that the network management software &quot;wants to rule the city&quot;. Then &quot;traditional&quot; administration via <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span> might be in conflict with it, unless one knows enough about the management software to avoid such conflicts. The easiest way for a root administrator to avoid such conflicts&#160; is to get rid of all and any such management software.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Noted. Thank you,</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 22:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: [SOLVED] What is wrong with chimaera and network]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=32820#p32820</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Head_on_a_Stick wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><div class="quotebox"><cite>Job wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>The machine is a desktop with no wireless hardware or button.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Oops, sorry. I will learn to read one day...</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Job wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>the trouble started after I woke up the machine from hibernation</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Is that reproducible? If so what do the logs say?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>I let the box hibernate to see if I can reproduce the same scenario but the box and the interface came back on right way.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 22:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: [SOLVED] What is wrong with chimaera and network]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=32819#p32819</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>.. my longer story is something like the following.</p><p>Networking in chimaera is really the same as in all prior system versions; it&#039;s a kernel function to operate the interfaces that dynamically rely on their configurations, and there are some forms of user software available for the administration of those configurations.</p><p>The first and oldest unit of such software is nowadays called <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span> in Devuan (Debian).</p><p><span class="bbc">ifupdown</span> implements an administration principle where the administrator documents their desired configurations using a special purpose scripting language written into one or more plain text files starting with <span class="bbc">/etc/network/interfaces</span>. The software is modular with a core bit that offers the adminstration programs <span class="bbc">ifup</span>, <span class="bbc">ifdown</span> and <span class="bbc">ifstate</span> as well as the hook-in to the boot process and the hotplug event handling. <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span> also provides a well-documented API for extensions that allows for other software packages to be seamlessly incorporated into the networking operations as if belonging to <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span>; e.g., handling DHCP, handling wireless connectivity, VPN setup and whatnot.</p><p>On the side of that we find a couple of network management software packages (package groups), where <span class="bbc">chimaera</span> in particular includes the two named <span class="bbc">connman</span> and <span class="bbc">network-manager</span>. These implement their own ideas of the network configuration task, with a common aim to make networking configuration be administrated &quot;more easily&quot; than by using the special purpose scripting language and programs of <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span>, and most importantly to provide a &quot;security bypass&quot; that empowers non-root users with network administration abilities.</p><p>A side effect of that is that the network management software &quot;wants to rule the city&quot;. Then &quot;traditional&quot; administration via <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span> might be in conflict with it, unless one knows enough about the management software to avoid such conflicts. The easiest way for a root administrator to avoid such conflicts&#160; is to get rid of all and any such management software.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ralph.ronnquist)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 22:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: [SOLVED] What is wrong with chimaera and network]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=32809#p32809</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Job wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>The machine is a desktop with no wireless hardware or button.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Oops, sorry. I will learn to read one day...</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Job wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>the trouble started after I woke up the machine from hibernation</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Is that reproducible? If so what do the logs say?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: [SOLVED] What is wrong with chimaera and network]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=32807#p32807</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The machine is a desktop with no wireless hardware or button. I have to say the trouble started after I woke up the machine from hibernation. I am not sure if hibernating the desktop could be a problem. I did not have that issue with Beowulf tho.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: [SOLVED] What is wrong with chimaera and network]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=32803#p32803</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I think Ralph wanted you to check for any other enabled networking services. The easiest way to do this is</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code># apt install sysv-rc-conf
# sysv-rc-conf</code></pre></div><p>^ The second command will list all services and their state.</p><p>I&#039;m pretty sure that NetworkManager, connman &amp; wicd all check /etc/network/interfaces{,.d/*} and will ignore any interfaces listed there but it doesn&#039;t hurt to check and disable the services.</p><p>Your networking problem could have been caused by <span class="bbc">rfkill</span> (is there a wireless button on your machine?) or possibly an over-zealous power saving mode for the wireless driver. The logs should show exactly what happened.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: [SOLVED] What is wrong with chimaera and network]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I powered that box to try your suggestions and it went online right away. Here is the setup I have now. Strange stuff, this same setup did not work last night.</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
#the primary network interface
auto eth0
allow-hotplug eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp</code></pre></div><p>Anyway:</p><p>Ralph, do you mind expanding on what you meant by purging &quot;all &quot;network manager&quot; software except <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span>? Do you mean manually removing everything in <span class="bbc">/etc/network</span> and leaving the <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span> folder?</p><p>HoaS, </p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>root@luna:~# ifup --verbose eth0
ifup: interface eth0 already configured</code></pre></div><p>I am guessing because the device is already busy.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Job)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 20:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: [SOLVED] What is wrong with chimaera and network]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=32793#p32793</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>If Ralph&#039;s suggestion doesn&#039;t fix things for you then please post the output of</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code># ifup --verbose eth0</code></pre></div>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 13:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: [SOLVED] What is wrong with chimaera and network]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=32788#p32788</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like you should make sure all &quot;network manager&quot; software except <span class="bbc">ifupdown</span> is purged, and then edit your <span class="bbc">/etc/network/interfaces</span> to be (exactly):</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>iface lo inet loopback
iface eth0 inet dhcp
auto lo eth0</code></pre></div>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (ralph.ronnquist)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 03:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[[SOLVED] What is wrong with chimaera and network]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=32787#p32787</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello forum. </p><p>Since moving to chimaera, I only have problems with the network interface.</p><p>At some point I only had </p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>iface eth0 inet dhcp</code></pre></div><p> in /etc/network/interfaces. After about two days, the network died again. Since then no matter what I tried I can&#039;t get the internet going.</p><p>I will appreciate some pointers.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Job)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 02:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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