I know. But they might keep a database or another tool to keep track of the records. I was in the beginning impressed by how one person could add several thousand lines in 100+ files in one commit, and at the same time make more such commits per day. Very efficient. But I am sure there are tools for such jobs. But no one outside of muse knows what is going on. But one one the old developers jojoSchmidt is still there. In case of a fork I am sure he might be the person to clean up the mess.

They do btw. still have some comments in the code. But way fewer than previous versions. If it is enough to let someone from outside hack into it I will not be able decide.

We will have to see what happens. If they remove and commercialize big parts of a GPL program they might be on the edge of violating the license, or at least what it was intended to do. I hope someone will stand up and defend the license in that case. A lot of firms are depending on GPL software, and would probably not be happy if someone steals that. And if they require you to buy or download commercial software in order to achieve core functionality I think it must be considered non-free software and by that violating the GPL. The muse group is by the way registered in San Fransisco.

Have a nice day
Lars H

Hi

A bit related. With musescore they are rewriting all of the code. And they have removed most comments in the code, so it will be a big challenge for somebody to maintain a fork of the new code because of that. In a way I feel they are "stealing" the program from the current users. And quite a lot of the of developers has left.

Have a nice day.

Hmm... when they removed all the code comments without storing them somewhere else to look them up, they will probably suffer from code amnesia in a few months (code amnesia = when you don't remember why something is done in a particular way in the source code). That could lead to slower Audacity development, giving the Tenacity project an advantage. Documentation is important, inside and outside of the source code. If Muse Group thinks otherwise, they may be up to an interesting development adventure.

OK everybody . . . please just take a deep breath . . .

Yeah... I did that after I replied...

That being said... this thread has run its course for me...

for the most part anyways....

I might make more replies, but I probably will do it in a more limited fashion...

only wish I had done so sooner....

I should've looked inward before I replied to him... aka, the 2-3 replies before this one. Or more even...

Feel free to laugh, but I feel so silly...

oh well...

But yeah, brocashelm, you don't have to leave. 

You are  right, I should have heeded my own advice...

Ironic, but it happens...

Life can be such a kindergarten sometimes...  :-/

Life among human piranhas . . . not fun . . .

And they have removed most comments in the code, so it will be a big challenge for somebody to maintain a fork of the new code because of that. In a way I feel they are "stealing" the program from the current users.

Life can be such a kindergarten sometimes...  :-/

A bit related. With musescore they are rewriting all of the code. And they have removed most comments in the code, so it will be a big challenge for somebody to maintain a fork of the new code because of that. In a way I feel they are "stealing" the program from the current users. And quite a lot of the of developers has left.

Have a nice day.

—▷ [Hackaday 2021-07-16] Just What Have We Become?
—▷ [Hackaday 2021-07-17] Open Source Is Choice

... and I hereby demand that I may or may not be Vroomfondel!

My biggest concern are actually that they plan to stop further development of the sound engine on the Musescore program. And then let you download a free crumbled add on from their website or pay for a better one. So in fact making the program nonfree for practical use. It is nice they come with developer resources, but they are in fact trying to make the program commercial. But lets hope for a fork of that as well  ;-)

Have a nice day
Lars H

Moderators, feel free to delete all the posts I've made including the replies to them. I will be stepping out gracefully from this forum. Cheers.

I wasn't going to respond, to this thread again, but you don't have to quit the forums. 

I mean... just relax, I was only trying to help you.

That being said, if you want to leave, that is your call. 

Peace man... hope things go better for you in the future regardless, no hard feelings.

Moderators, feel free to delete all the posts I've made including the replies to them. I will be stepping out gracefully from this forum. Cheers.

That being said, I agree it should be closed too.

Also, sometimes I try to help people who don't want help...

Anyways, last time I will reply here, its going nowhere good anyways.

Do you know what schizophrenia is?

Implying somebody you clearly don't know has a mental illness is... Kinda gross dude.
Please don't make claims like that unless you have some real evidence to back them up. Not only are such accusations irrelevant and useless, they're also exactly the kind of obnoxious comment commonly associated basement-dwelling sociopaths and alt-right wackos. We wouldn't want to think you're one of those, now would we?

Other than that, yeah. None of us have any real evidence either way...
So we should probably all shut up about it now lest we look like fools, no?

Sure, that's how FOSS development is supposed to work. Projects nick code from each other all the time, and it's never implied that one or other was the "winner" before. When people share code everybody wins.

I was with you right up until that little gem.
When questioning the beliefs and assumptions of others here, you might want to think twice about presenting your own beliefs and assumptions as fact. Just a suggestion.

The only "given" here so far is that audacity was forked, and several of those forks are now making progress. Everything else is noise or politics, and AFAICT there have been no code commits from deities at all.

All in all, if this thread is going to be nothing but mudslinging and petty tribalism (with a side of preaching), perhaps it's time it was closed?

zapper wrote:

If your laughing at it, its because you are antisocial probably... or you don't know the news of sneedacity and their 4chan bs trying to intimidate cookie engineer.

Yup, and I'm laughing at it more and more with each passing day. I only feel sorry for the gullible fools who buy into outright lies and deception.

zapper wrote:

Besides, you do realize that the trolls at sneedacity threatened cookie engineer and his family right?

There is no evidence of this, as I said already. Do you know what schizophrenia is? He could also be staging all this "drama" all along. Anyone can write numbers on sticky notes and make a house look like there was a murder. I've seen this time and time again on the Internet. Nothing changes.

zapper wrote:

Yeah... I would stop for that reason above alone.

Feel free to. As for myself, I'll keep calling a spade a spade. Sneedacity has barely been around for two weeks and is already proving to be the best thing since sliced bread. Even the Audacium developers admitted in an IRC conversation to borrowing code from Sneedacity for a commit. If Sneedacity wasn't a serious project, then why even acknowledge their existence? That's how I know Sneedacity is the true winner. Give it up.

zapper wrote:

EDIT: After seeing the commens you just posted, I realize I might have been right the first time.

Well, with a signature like that, I'm surprised you don't spend more time on the Antix forums. That's more your crowd, I reckon. Devuan has no politics (left or right).

You really shouldn't assume wrongdoing on the victims part without actual evidence...  which most users here seem to think is against him. 

I really hope I am wrong about you, but usually I see this from far right fringe people, this level of perceived sociopathic behavior. 

I hope I am misunderstanding who you are, that being said... you look very suspiciously maligant.  I am going to hope I am wrong though...

As for Antix... I don't know much about AntiX or their forums.

That all being said,  please don't assume anything about him without knowing the whole story. Perhaps I don't know the whole story, but 4chan has been part of a lot of harrassment type situations, so try not to assume people are making a scene as your first go to belief when it involves 4chan on the other end.

Last thought though will be this:

Please open your eyes, lest you lose your way any furher.

Such arrogance is dangerous...

I'll save you a trip down my memory lane and say,  less than a year ago, I discovered my pride problem... I am working on it more than I ever have before...  Be careful, lest, pride sneak up on you too...

Also, no one likes a boastful fool.  I am sure you are better than that.  Given all people are created by the Lord.

Pride is a form of boastfulness btw...

Confidence = Good
Pride = overconfidence thus bad...

Anyways, hope you find peace from the same pride I have been fighting for a long time.