zapper wrote:

dice wrote:

I can tell you are only shit stirring so ill only bite a little bit.

You can patch dwm to autostart apps, depending on your setup and whether you are using login manager. Login manager i think you can use xsessionrc in debian.

https://dwm.suckless.org/patches/autostart/ <-- wrong patch

https://dwm.suckless.org/patches/cool_autostart/ < --this one

dwm is complicated for many as they dont understand how to use it, which is probably your issue zapper.

I am shit stirring? Well...  my bad, I just don't get DWM's appeal is all, I wanted people to explain it to me.

It confuses me greatly.

But thank you for your info! Quick question though, which uses more cpu power/battery life:

JWM or DWM?

just curious.

Though I am still curious how you apply that patch to dwm.

Let me know if you are willing.

The appeal for me is that it is a dynamic window manager, it can tile, float and use other modes like monocle and it is keyboard driven window manager mostly, so i can do most navigation without a mouse.

Ive no idea about cpu or battery life, its possible jwm does a much better job, actually i like jwm too, i rate it about the same as dwm, even though they both do a different job of being window managers.

You can apply patches in git as mentioned in below link, sometimes i find they dont apply properly so i go in and manuallly apply the patches, but beware you may need to correct a rejected diff.

Git method:
https://dwm.suckless.org/customisation/patches_in_git/

Manual method:
while inside the dwm directory ( as i build from upstream source ) manually would look something like this:

~/suckless/dwm (git)-[master] % patch -p1 < dwm-cool_autostart.diff

Oh, I didn't realize it was that simple. 

Huh...

Okay, I am still  curious if they both use as much resources on the cpu and battery life.

But if you don't know the answer, that's okay.

Although, I love that jwm's taskbar can allow attaching icons to it easily. such as firetools, and other things very easily.

I would have to compare again to see which is more functional to know which is better for me.

I just like JWM is feature complete aka, has a good taskbar without using a huge amount of power such as other window managers or indeed DE's.

I am looking at you XFCE, LXDE, MATE, LXQT and anything more bloated especially.

Though even Lumina has a small amount of bloat...

AS Desktop Environments go I mean...

dice wrote:

zapper wrote:

Heh,  I used dwm a few times briefly, but its just too dull for my tastes.  I am not sure how to configure autostarting apps among other things.

Dwm aka is a pile of sludge.

Also, its not even that much lighter in cpu usage/ram than i3-wm and jwm. 

My two cents.

I can tell you are only shit stirring so ill only bite a little bit.

You can patch dwm to autostart apps, depending on your setup and whether you are using login manager. Login manager i think you can use xsessionrc in debian.

https://dwm.suckless.org/patches/autostart/ <-- wrong patch

https://dwm.suckless.org/patches/cool_autostart/ < --this one

dwm is complicated for many as they dont understand how to use it, which is probably your issue zapper.

I am shit stirring? Well...  my bad, I just don't get DWM's appeal is all, I wanted people to explain it to me.

It confuses me greatly.

But thank you for your info! Quick question though, which uses more cpu power/battery life:

JWM or DWM?

just curious.

Though I am still curious how you apply that patch to dwm.

Let me know if you are willing.

The appeal for me is that it is a dynamic window manager, it can tile, float and use other modes like monocle and it is keyboard driven window manager mostly, so i can do most navigation without a mouse.

Ive no idea about cpu or battery life, its possible jwm does a much better job, actually i like jwm too, i rate it about the same as dwm, even though they both do a different job of being window managers.

You can apply patches in git as mentioned in below link, sometimes i find they dont apply properly so i go in and manuallly apply the patches, but beware you may need to correct a rejected diff.

Git method:
https://dwm.suckless.org/customisation/patches_in_git/

Manual method:
while inside the dwm directory ( as i build from upstream source ) manually would look something like this:

~/suckless/dwm (git)-[master] % patch -p1 < dwm-cool_autostart.diff

zapper wrote:

andyprough wrote:

There are two kinds of people in this world:
1. Those who know how to use DWM
2.

Heh,  I used dwm a few times briefly, but its just too dull for my tastes.  I am not sure how to configure autostarting apps among other things.

Dwm aka is a pile of sludge.

Also, its not even that much lighter in cpu usage/ram than i3-wm and jwm. 

My two cents.

I can tell you are only shit stirring so ill only bite a little bit.

You can patch dwm to autostart apps, depending on your setup and whether you are using login manager. Login manager i think you can use xsessionrc in debian.

https://dwm.suckless.org/patches/autostart/ <-- wrong patch

https://dwm.suckless.org/patches/cool_autostart/ < --this one

dwm is complicated for many as they dont understand how to use it, which is probably your issue zapper.

I am shit stirring? Well...  my bad, I just don't get DWM's appeal is all, I wanted people to explain it to me.

It confuses me greatly.

But thank you for your info! Quick question though, which uses more cpu power/battery life:

JWM or DWM?

just curious.

Though I am still curious how you apply that patch to dwm.

Let me know if you are willing.

See also https://wiki.debian.org/Xsession

I am not sure how to configure autostarting apps among other things.

You can start apps with a bit of help from .xinitrc  It is handy to run programs depending on X and set environment variables on X server startup. If it is present in a user's home directory, startx and xinit execute it.

andyprough wrote:

zapper wrote:

If you want low memory installation, I recommend two things for window managers, JWM, used by puppylinux among others, or i3-wm or dwm which I find somewhat dull and confusing at times.

I focus more on cpu usage then memory usage though.

There are two kinds of people in this world:
1. Those who know how to use DWM
2.

Heh,  I used dwm a few times briefly, but its just too dull for my tastes.  I am not sure how to configure autostarting apps among other things.

Dwm aka is a pile of sludge.

Also, its not even that much lighter in cpu usage/ram than i3-wm and jwm. 

My two cents.

I can tell you are only shit stirring so ill only bite a little bit.

You can patch dwm to autostart apps, depending on your setup and whether you are using login manager. Login manager i think you can use xsessionrc in debian.

https://dwm.suckless.org/patches/autostart/ <-- wrong patch

https://dwm.suckless.org/patches/cool_autostart/ < --this one

dwm is complicated for many as they dont understand how to use it, which is probably your issue zapper.

zapper wrote:

If you want low memory installation, I recommend two things for window managers, JWM, used by puppylinux among others, or i3-wm or dwm which I find somewhat dull and confusing at times.

I focus more on cpu usage then memory usage though.

There are two kinds of people in this world:
1. Those who know how to use DWM
2.

Heh,  I used dwm a few times briefly, but its just too dull for my tastes.  I am not sure how to configure autostarting apps among other things.

Dwm aka is a pile of sludge.

Also, its not even that much lighter in cpu usage/ram than i3-wm and jwm. 

My two cents.

If you want low memory installation, I recommend two things for window managers, JWM, used by puppylinux among others, or i3-wm or dwm

Or xmonad

Very well said. I want that too.

Plus, mc as file manager, editor, & music player using mpg123.

Hi

I installed Devuan today, Beowulf 3.1. I have 1GB of ram and use a 2GB swapfile.

Which desktop should I choose? Which one is for little ram?

Have you considered not using X11? You can build a useful desktop that runs in the text console without using a lot of RAM.

• editor: emacs, vim, neovim, nano, joe

• web browser: lynx, links2, w3m

• gopher browser: lynx, bombadillo

• gemini browser: bombadillo

• email: mutt, alpine, nmh

• irc: irssi, weechat, bitchx

• music: cmus, mpd with mpc/ncmpc/ncmpcpp

• file manager: shell, mc, ranger, nnn

• usenet reader: tin

• file sync: rsync, unison

Of course, if you have Emacs and are willing to spend enough time on your configuration, you can get Emacs to do everything.

If you want low memory installation, I recommend two things for window managers, JWM, used by puppylinux among others, or i3-wm or dwm which I find somewhat dull and confusing at times.

I focus more on cpu usage then memory usage though.

There are two kinds of people in this world:
1. Those who know how to use DWM
2.

I focus more on cpu usage then memory usage though.

<Having just come over from AntiX, which I'd been using for many years, (since the demise of #! [Chrunchbang Linux] ), your experience sounds very suspect, I have never encountered any negativity or bullying on the forums in all my time there.>

I'll let you know that I've now set up my Devuan pretty well and can actively work with it. It runs very well, faster than antiX!

I came from Lubuntu looking for something smaller and first came across Q4OS. But after a month of productive work, I was still dissatisfied with the performance. So I kept searching and failed at first on the WiFi setup of Void Linux. Then I found antiX and thought I'd give it a try, even if I'm not an anti-capitalist. antiX runs quite well and after a while I got used to being a former systemd user without knowing it

When antiX was running and I also received new hardware, Toshiba 2010 with 1GB Ram, I started working with TinyCore. And I'm still working on it. Sure, it's the fastest, but you have to get used to it. I can already work on it with Vivaldi Browser. I would prefer Opera. TinyCore has a zram standard and I created a swapfile with 1GB. I also dealt a little with swapiness and understood what it is about and what is not. Some distributions recommend a swapiness of 10, which is absurd for a small Ram! 60 may be too high, I work with 30-40 and have very good results on all distros. I suspect that with a deep swapiness the swap task, if it is activated, is given a fairly high priority, since at this moment the RAM is already very full. This then automatically slows down the other task, for example the browser. If the swapiness is higher, the swap task is given a lower priority and runs more or less "on the side", but earlyer, longer and more often. But since the CPU is extremely fast compared to us users, it doesn't bother us at work. Delaying swapping is therefore not necessarily wise with little ram. It just fills up the RAM and lets the CPU work at a low level until it is swapped. But then the CPU is fully utilized because the late swap task is given a very high priority.

But now to Devuan!

Believe it or not, I surf faster with Devuan than with antiX! Wow! Here is my swap:

devuan @ devuan: ~ $ cat / proc / swaps
Filename Type Size Used Priority
/ swapfile file 2097148 372736 -2
devuan @ devuan: ~ $

Here my sysctl:

#swapiness
vm.swappiness = 40
vm.vfs_cache_pressure = 10

You see, with the right settings swapfile is actually sufficient. I couldn't activate zram yet, I wrote a post about it. But actually I don't need it at all. Everything that is compression loads the CPU selectively and leads to waiting times in other programs.

I had just opened 8 facebook tabs (!) and could switch from one to the other with a waiting time of less than 5 seconds! Opera has some very interesting settings on this subject, but everyone should know for themselves whether they want to use Opera, because of the license.

Here is an article about swapiness that helped me a lot:

https://www.howtogeek.com/449691/what-i … change-it/

Unfortunately, I had the negative experience on antiX forum that anti-capitalism has priority and that the constructive solutions come afterwards. One is bullied, posts are deleted, accounts blocked and even the update function is manipulated. I also noticed strange waiting times while surfing. Shortly after I posted about it on antiX and also here, the problem "solved" ... and my post about "jOS" disappeared on antiX forum

That brings me to the last point, which is "jOS". Apparently Fedora CoreOS is something like that. As soon as I have completed all the areas at Devuan and I'm a little further with TinyCore, I'll test it. I have 4 partitions and one is still free

Due to bugs, I have to install lmde and upgrade to beowulf, I have a separate 0.5GB swap partition, 3.23 GB root, and the mate desktop.
Music comes from an SD card, usually 128 GB

Alternatively, I use one of these 701s in each room as slick monotasking pulsaudio receiver boxes. Even running firefox minimised playing youtube videos, the swap file is hardly used at all. Hibernation is intermittent but not needed.