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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=29683#p29683</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I sent the links to dropbox copies of those logs in private email. Did you get it?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Micronaut)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2021 22:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=29418#p29418</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Micronaut wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Which logs shall I post to pastebin for an analysis?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>The X.Org log, /var/log/messages &amp; /var/log/syslog.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2021 16:10:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=29398#p29398</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Guess so. But that doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s therefore inherently unsafe/dangerous/unusable after that time. I&#039;ve been running the last pre-systemd Debian for years after it made the change to systemd as default init system. Only in 2015 did I make the switch to Funtoo (couldn&#039;t get Gentoo to work and the Funtoo guide was so inclusive <em>even I</em> could successfully complete it <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/tongue.png" width="15" height="15" alt="tongue" /> ) and after I found Devuan I stuck with it for a while <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>As long as you keep your wits about and don&#039;t do stupid things, like browsing unsafe websites and stuff, ASCII will work just fine. But in time you&#039;ll notice stuff does get outdated and no longer supported and websites may no longer work as you&#039;d expect, or at all. But this is Linux: grab the source of your $browser, configure, compile, build and install it and you&#039;re done. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" />&#160; It&#039;s a pity Beowulf is such a PITA, but the underlying issues are not the fault of the Devuan dev&#039;s but lay with Debian or perhaps elsewhere upstream.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Dutch_Master)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2021 22:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=29395#p29395</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Gack... I&#039;d hate to have to go back to the old version. It&#039;s only getting patches until next summer, isn&#039;t it?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Micronaut)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2021 19:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=29375#p29375</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I had a similar issue on Mate recently. Solved it by reinstalling ASCII and nuking stray Beowulf config files as well as remaining folders of packages once in use, but no more.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Dutch_Master)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2021 07:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=29373#p29373</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>It happened again. Ctrl-Alt-Backspace and Ctrl-Alt-F1/F2/etc had no effect. This time, the pointer was moving across the desktop when it froze, too. Not on a menu. So my guess that something in the menuing system was the cause seems to be wrong. It&#039;s got to be deep in the video driver stack. </p><p>One thing that was different this time, thought, is that I had just downloaded updates and a couple of them were related to X. Dunno what the fixes were supposed to be. Maybe someone with better knowledge of where to look up recent patches can check on that. Since I had not rebooted/restarted X, that is probably a potential source of problems.</p><p>So, I did restart it after having to use the hard power switch, and fiddled with it a bit. Had also just installed Chromium, which does not complain about the <a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3429" rel="nofollow">missing keyring</a> with Cinnamon, since the keyring is present. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> It was nice to use another open source browser for a bit.</p><p>Since this happened yesterday, I&#039;m sure some of the logs will be archived and new ones started when I boot it again. Which logs shall I post to pastebin for an analysis?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Micronaut)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 27 Apr 2021 02:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=28934#p28934</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I used the remove option rather than create the directory. No noticeable difference yet, but it took hours of continuous use for the bug to hit the first time. It might be something like the Windows problem that occurs when you Alt-tab between windows many, many, many times. (Like when copying things from a web browser to a local editor.) Eventually, the system gets confused and starts scrambling the windows. This has been a thing with MS Windows all the way back to 95/98 days when it was still a shell on MS-DOS. It might take another long session to see for sure if this fixes the problem.</p><p>I also tried removing the intel driver on a different laptop. Granted, this one hasn&#039;t had the bug, but I thought it might have better performance using the modesetting driver if that one is updated more often. Instead, it didn&#039;t even boot to the desktop! It stopped at the command prompt and I had to re-install the intel driver to get the desktop back. Here&#039;s the thing -- it is also using the i915 driver??? But the kernel driver is apparently not the same thing as the video driver. It&#039;s a Gateway laptop from ~2011, five years older than the HP. And it&#039;s running Devuan Ascii with XFCE. The modesetting driver apparently doesn&#039;t recognize the video subsystem.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><div><p>00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)<br />&#160; &#160; Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller<br />&#160; &#160; Kernel driver in use: i915<br />&#160; &#160; Kernel modules: i915</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Which logs shall I put on pastebin?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Micronaut)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2021 23:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=28921#p28921</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Micronaut wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>The logs aren&#039;t very large yet, since this is such a new system, but I really don&#039;t know what to look for. Grep for &quot;Warning&quot;? Or &quot;Error&quot;? Or something else?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Upload them to a pastebin service and share the link here, I&#039;ll have a look at them.</p><p>Did you try the modesetting driver yet?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2021 13:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=28910#p28910</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the driver listed is i915. Besides video, that Atom processor is acting as subsystem for most of the motherboard, PCI controller, audio, USB and various other functions seem to have been assigned to at least <em>an</em> Atom processor. I wonder how many there are and whether they are embedded in the CPU or the motherboard chip-set?</p><p>The logs aren&#039;t very large yet, since this is such a new system, but I really don&#039;t know what to look for. Grep for &quot;Warning&quot;? Or &quot;Error&quot;? Or something else?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Micronaut)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 07 Apr 2021 01:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=28894#p28894</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Micronaut wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I&#039;ll have to try Ctrl-Alt-F1 if it happens again. I hadn&#039;t heard of that hot-key combination. I think it was Ctrl-Alt-Backspace that forces a desktop environment to quit? I didn&#039;t think to try that at the time, but will remember it next time along with Ctrl-Alt-F1....</p></div></blockquote></div><p>There are a number of text consoles, accessed by ctrl-alt-F1, ctrl-alt-F2, etc. ctrl-alt-F7 should take you back to the GUI if that&#039;s working (it might be some other combination such as ctrl-alt-F6 so it&#039;s worth testing before you need it in anger).</p><p>And did the logs show anything from the last time it happened? Although I&#039;ve had systems lock up or suddenly reboot with nothing interesting in the logs before the messages from the system coming back up.</p><p>Chris</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (chris2be8)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2021 16:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=28877#p28877</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Micronaut wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>create that directory</p></div></blockquote></div><p>^ This. Or read the xorg.conf man page to find out where else you can place the file for it to be read.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Micronaut wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>When I saw something like this on a desktop with a nVidia-based video card using Devuan and XFCE a couple years ago, I gave up on Devuan and tried MX Linux. And it had the same problem... <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /></p></div></blockquote></div><p>Some NVIDIA cards require non-free firmware to work properly with the nouveau drivers.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Micronaut wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Now, this problem has something to do with Intel &quot;HD Graphics&quot; rather than an nVidia card, and the driver is apparently <em>already</em> the Intel driver? They published the source and Linux distros can just build it into their default config?</p></div></blockquote></div><p>The Intel DDX driver (xserver-xorg-video-intel) hasn&#039;t been updated properly in a long time and is known to be buggy, which is why the package information recommends to use the modesetting driver instead.</p><p>EDIT: does the <span class="bbc">lspci -k</span> command show a <span class="bbc">kernel driver in use</span> line for the video card? You haven&#039;t included it in your post but it should show <span class="bbc">i915</span>.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2021 06:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=28875#p28875</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Micronaut wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I&#039;m at a loss how to &#039;fix&#039; the problem</p></div></blockquote></div><p>You and everyone else, unless you can gather more information on what is actually going wrong. Hence the suggestion to check logs and system responsiveness outside the GUI by dropping to a console or connecting over SSH when this happens.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (steve_v)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2021 04:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=28873#p28873</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>There is no xorg.conf.d directory under X11, though at least the X11 directory exists! Have the workings of X changed in the latest release, or should I create that directory? I guess I could just go ahead and use the uninstall.</p><p>Yes, the video drivers seems to be the problem. When I saw something like this on a desktop with a nVidia-based video card using Devuan and XFCE a couple years ago, I gave up on Devuan and tried MX Linux. And it had the same problem... <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/sad.png" width="15" height="15" alt="sad" /> But when I installed the proprietary nVidia driver in MX, the problems went away. Now, this problem has something to do with Intel &quot;HD Graphics&quot; rather than an nVidia card, and the driver is apparently <em>already</em> the Intel driver? They published the source and Linux distros can just build it into their default config? So I&#039;m at a loss how to &#039;fix&#039; the problem this time. All I can do for now is try disabling the Intel part of X, I guess.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Micronaut)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 22:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=28866#p28866</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Micronaut wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>I&#039;ll have to try Ctrl-Alt-F1 if it happens again. I hadn&#039;t heard of that hot-key combination.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>On key combos, it might also be worth enabling <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key" rel="nofollow">magic sysrq</a> (IIRC it&#039;s restricted by default), if all else fails that usually gets you a console (or at least a memory dump) so you can see what&#039;s going on.</p><p>But yeah, I&#039;m with HoaS, I recon it&#039;s probably a video driver problem.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 19:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Hard freeze on Cinnamon desktop]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=28863#p28863</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Micronaut wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>how would I go about removing the xserver-xorg-video-intel part of X?</p></div></blockquote></div><div class="codebox"><pre><code># apt purge xserver-xorg-video-intel</code></pre></div><div class="quotebox"><cite>Micronaut wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>how would I put it BACK if that turns out to be worse?</p></div></blockquote></div><div class="codebox"><pre><code># apt install xserver-xorg-video-intel</code></pre></div><p>EDIT: or just keep the package installed and create a file at /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-modesetting.conf with this content:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>Section &quot;Device&quot;
   Identifier &quot;Intel Graphics&quot;
   Driver &quot;modesetting&quot;
EndSection</code></pre></div><p>Remove the file to revert to the Intel DDX driver.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 19:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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