Ah, so people who get better support are those who pay...

That makes sense

well guys.. party is over.. do you remenber the happened with grsecurity patches? well will be happened with updates maybe.. check this now, but is an important thing.. we understand all have cost.. it is too suspicious that having problems with #jessie now that they are going to #pay for sure will solve them after refusing to do in github issues panel! very very rare right?

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That makes sense

1. Many companies for reasons of both money and loyalty to their customers (which are the most important) can not simply migrate things, the biggest example is the move from python 2.7 to python 3. of cousre that crap named python finally got a "decent stable not changin constantly" api in 3.X series

That's the reason why it's "only some packages", let's see if I was clear... and also..

2. The second thing is that it is not "some" but "on demand" if some package suddenly needs security it is included, ah of course this is only done by those who pay. The one who doesn't pay only enjoys what is there... now if I was clear?

we must read inside the lines of the freexian pages.

zapper wrote:

For those that does not know, i repeat again.. ExLTS is mostly sponsored.. but not in all, we can use the packages freelty, but companies paid the support TO BUILD packages only as they need, by example we have golang with a several bug, and no one of the companies that are paying need that package. well will not to be included.. in fact kernel is always backported, its more like the D-I backports images of kenshi muto in older days..

Okay, now I am curious of your sources... can you show me evidence of such? I thought ELTS costs money for all people.

you already learned to read ... and I already gave the wiki pages where the info comes out ... I must do your homework? .... well is clear you are missing something

Oh... I didn't see the wiki link, my bad...

EDIT: Seems you might be right, although, its a bit unclear...

On the debian page, it seems to agree with you, but one of their links says otherwise...

Still, I don't see much point in ELTS, if it only focuses on a few packages...

zapper wrote:

For those that does not know, i repeat again.. ExLTS is mostly sponsored.. but not in all, we can use the packages freelty, but companies paid the support TO BUILD packages only as they need, by example we have golang with a several bug, and no one of the companies that are paying need that package. well will not to be included.. in fact kernel is always backported, its more like the D-I backports images of kenshi muto in older days..

Okay, now I am curious of your sources... can you show me evidence of such? I thought ELTS costs money for all people.

you already learned to read ... and I already gave the wiki pages where the info comes out ... I must do your homework? .... well is clear you are missing something

You are becoming quite tedious. Why do you need to be so abrasive and aggressive? Other people seem to be able to make their points without becoming abusive. Please show a bit more respect and restraint.

For those that does not know, i repeat again.. ExLTS is mostly sponsored.. but not in all, we can use the packages freelty, but companies paid the support TO BUILD packages only as they need, by example we have golang with a several bug, and no one of the companies that are paying need that package. well will not to be included.. in fact kernel is always backported, its more like the D-I backports images of kenshi muto in older days..

Okay, now I am curious of your sources... can you show me evidence of such? I thought ELTS costs money for all people.

you already learned to read ... and I already gave the wiki pages where the info comes out ... I must do your homework? .... well is clear you are missing something

fsmithred wrote:

Security updates are sometimes late in devuan because amprolla gets confused when it sometimes gets a 404 on a debian repo. When this happens, it's usually discovered and fixed within a few days. You've probably seen the discussions on this forum about it.

There are people working on this, and based on something I was told a few days ago, it might already be fixed.

Thanks, that's a good response.. i noted the problem as i said.. and some time ago there was a project to do the same at the Devuan side! what happened with that? was dissapear and i cannot found any hint about

About amprolla i talked about the disavantages in old days but (cos erasing are the rule) i lost the info in devuan sites.. I proposed an idea similar to Debian mentors, but morte with a build site like OBS, i.e. something like PPA for winbuntu, due Devuan limitations on resources and manpowers, the most cheap way is request support of Devuan images in OBS (Opensuse Build Service).

finally at last, talking about support and info, in web page they changed the color scheme of the web page, now there is a decent contrast, but the information is too general, I searched a lot how many years of support has each release and it is not there, this is because each release changes respect of the software included and this influences the supported one

zapper wrote:

But yeah, its 5 years unless you use Extended Term Support builds and I looked up how much it costs, its expensive lol.

fsmithred wrote:

...that a private company is offering commercial support fo...

For those that does not know, i repeat again.. ExLTS is mostly sponsored.. but not in all, we can use the packages freelty, but companies paid the support TO BUILD packages only as they need, by example we have golang with a several bug, and no one of the companies that are paying need that package. well will not to be included.. in fact kernel is always backported, its more like the D-I backports images of kenshi muto in older days..

Okay, now I am curious of your sources... can you show me evidence of such? I thought ELTS costs money for all people.

Security updates are sometimes late in devuan because amprolla gets confused when it sometimes gets a 404 on a debian repo. When this happens, it's usually discovered and fixed within a few days. You've probably seen the discussions on this forum about it.

There are people working on this, and based on something I was told a few days ago, it might already be fixed.

Thanks, that's a good response.. i noted the problem as i said.. and some time ago there was a project to do the same at the Devuan side! what happened with that? was dissapear and i cannot found any hint about

About amprolla i talked about the disavantages in old days but (cos erasing are the rule) i lost the info in devuan sites.. I proposed an idea similar to Debian mentors, but morte with a build site like OBS, i.e. something like PPA for winbuntu, due Devuan limitations on resources and manpowers, the most cheap way is request support of Devuan images in OBS (Opensuse Build Service).

finally at last, talking about support and info, in web page they changed the color scheme of the web page, now there is a decent contrast, but the information is too general, I searched a lot how many years of support has each release and it is not there, this is because each release changes respect of the software included and this influences the supported one

For those that does not know, i repeat again.. ExLTS is mostly sponsored.. but not in all, we can use the packages freelty, but companies paid the support TO BUILD packages only as they need, by example we have golang with a several bug, and no one of the companies that are paying need that package. well will not to be included.. in fact kernel is always backported, its more like the D-I backports images of kenshi muto in older days..

There are people working on this, and based on something I was told a few days ago, it might already be fixed.

He means Extended Term Support, but yeah... he is kind of full of it.

Trolls are usually more fun if they are NOT hating or NOT doing despicable stuff.  In this case the former is what I see...

But yeah, its 5 years unless you use Extended Term Support builds and I looked up how much it costs, its expensive lol.

the point here is that if we sourcered debian pacakges to clean from shistemd, why security updates in devuan are so late? lest remenber that ExLTS packages are free of use.. of course, i grab that sources and build my own devuan packages cos devuan ones are so late ..

stop of "troll you said the true i'll will banned you"

Pedro, you probably don't want to read this.

mckaygerhard wrote:

again talking without well knowed ! everybody can have free access to those security updates..

Either you don't know what you are talking about or you are deliberately spreading misinformation. I think it's the latter. You said that Debian offers 7 years of support. That is simply not true.

You don't know what goes on here. You just come by every now and then to throw shit on the project. Are you getting paid to do this? I don't have the time or desire to track down and identify all your alternate "facts". So I now have to assume that everything you say is false.

He means Extended Term Support, but yeah... he is kind of full of it.

Trolls are usually more fun if they are NOT hating or NOT doing despicable stuff.  In this case the former is what I see...

But yeah, its 5 years unless you use Extended Term Support builds and I looked up how much it costs, its expensive lol.

mckaygerhard wrote:

always people that does not know nothing:

mckaygerhard wrote:

again talking without well knowed !

Your wording is a bit rude for me. In this forum we are used to another kind of tone. Your information, on the other hand, is very valuable; thanks.

right now i'm using Chimaera fron a upgrade,  for first time, its like testing right? foudn some things that are not confortable (well is development but let me xpalin)

in almost any daemon package seems dh_systemd seems was present:

# End automatically added section
# Automatically added by dh_systemd_enable/13.3.1
if [ "$1" = "configure" ] || [ "$1" = "abort-upgrade" ] || [ "$1" = "abort-deconfigure" ] |
| [ "$1" = "abort-remove" ] ; then
	# This will only remove masks created by d-s-h on package removal.
	deb-systemd-helper unmask

taking in consideration it comes from debian debhelper in debian are now 13 and seems autoload dh_systemd

on devuan the debhelper package must override the "auto_dh_systemd" and fil with empty section.. this is not a secret since ascii..

is an important detail .. well and a ugly way to solve .. but is nasty in so many package already in stable at debuan merged repository

mckaygerhard wrote:

Either you don't know what you are talking about or you are deliberately spreading misinformation. I think it's the latter. You said that Debian offers 7 years of support. That is simply not true.

You don't know what goes on here. You just come by every now and then to throw shit on the project. Are you getting paid to do this? I don't have the time or desire to track down and identify all your alternate "facts". So I now have to assume that everything you say is false.

always people that does not know nothing:

Your wording is a bit rude for me. In this forum we are used to another kind of tone. Your information, on the other hand, is very valuable; thanks.