I never told you that the 8 ms latency was with jack running as soundserver and ardour as mixer/recording device. Otherwise I think that such low latency would be impossible. But even more so with pulseaudio where the hardware is not used at all (as far as I know)

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after installation i did  install firmware atheros, but whats during installation? Without eth0 and lan the installation is not possible.

It should be possible to add any required firmware during the installation process by supplying it on a USB stick (or so) as per
https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/ … 04.en.html

Edit the file at /etc/network/interfaces and remove the eth0 lines.

And you should have started your own thread instead of hi-jacking this one.

I have not tried this myself (I have been lucky). And the one time I needed it, I could let the computers bios load and initiate the lan beforehand. What about tethering from a mobile-phone during install. It should work as far from what I have heard. But I am offcourse not sure when I haven't tried it myself.

Best wishes

Lars H

If you have lan connection, then try as root with "apt install firmware-atheros" Then the firmware for supported atheros cards should be installed. They are not by default.

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Lars H

Thank you for the answers. Let me summarize my experience:

1) Locale not configured after installation if locale is not english. It means that default setup (folders etc) will require some work.
2) In my second (and for the time being final) install, wicd required manual setup for wireless. Might be a big issue for non experienced users
3) Fsck programs supporting different filesystems missing
10) Volume cannot be adjusted in XFCE in default setup (nice to have, and maybe different optimal solutions for different desktops). And let just oce again repeat I like that the pulseaudio-deamon is not running by default

Other than that I like what i have been seeing the past two days.

Maybe a little wiki where the problems and best solutions could be mentioned.

Hope you are all well, and have a nice day
Lars H

I am sure it is good for qt based enviroments. XFCE is gtk based and so is Volume Icon-alsa. There are many ways to do it. Commandline is obvious as well (alsamixer).

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Thank you for your kind answer. What i suggested used as default (and are now using myself) is what you also did as your second proposal: volumeicon-alsa

It supports alsa directly, without addditional dependencies and have the same functionality as pauvcontrol

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Lars H

gstreamer0.10-alsa    -
gstreamer0.10-audiosink    -
gstreamer0.10-plugins-base    -
libatk1.0-0            >= 1.12.4
libc6                >= 2.3.6-6~
libcairo2            >= 1.2.4
libdbus-1-3            >= 1.0.2
libdbus-glib-1-2        >= 0.78
libfontconfig1            >= 2.11
libfreetype6            >= 2.2.1
libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0        >= 2.22.0
libglib2.0-0            >= 2.37.3
libgstreamer-plugins-base0.10-0    >= 0.10.18
libgstreamer0.10-0        >= 0.10.0
libgtk2.0-0            >= 2.18.0
libkeybinder0            >= 0.3.0
libpango-1.0-0            >= 1.14.0
libpangocairo-1.0-0        >= 1.14.0
libpangoft2-1.0-0        >= 1.14.0
libunique-1.0-0            >= 1.0.0
libxfce4ui-1-0            >= 4.9.0
libxfce4util6            >= 4.9.0
libxfconf-0-2            >= 4.6.0
libxml2                >= 2.6.27
xfce4-panel            << 4.11
xfce4-panel            >= 4.9.2

...however some of the files that I listed may exist on your system from the initial installation. Afterwards - it works without issues.

Another option could be https://packages.debian.org/buster/volumeicon-alsa - systray volume icon for alsa

Thank you for your answer.

But the (for me) good thing is that pulseaudio is not running by default. And I personally prefer it to be that way ;-)

I am getting the latency with default kernel and a onboard realtek chip. So nothing fancy there :-)) The rt-kernel is to my knowledge optimized mostly for network latency. And that is a completely different matter ;-)>>

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If you install a desktop from the tasksel screen in the installer, you get whatever task-*-desktop pulls in, which means you get pulseaudio. You can remove it, and if you're recording, you probably want to install a real sound server, like jack.

Are you getting those latencies with default kernel or realtime kernel?

Than you for your reply. What I would like to see is an experience at least on par with Debian itself. I am a bit surprised over the difference in speed in favour of devuan ;-)))

About volumecontrols in XFCE. Fortunately devuan has not activated pulseaudio by default (that is one of the reasons for the good latency). But this means that the pauvcontrol is useless, unless you start pulseaudio. The sound quality without pulseaudio is better, and the system a bit more responsive. That's the reason for my suggestion of volumeicon as it works directly with alsa. I can see on the front page that one of the question is confusion about exactly this question.

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Network may not be an issue it depends on how you connect to the net, generally most users connect via routers but via wifi, the source is the issue really. If you are connecting via wifi from say someone elses router and you cant get access to an ethernet port then it could be problematic. If on the other hand you own a smart phone you can connect via tethering which is a fairly simple procedure. That is my understanding of basic user problems when it comes to connection, wifi is usually a secondary consideration, ethernet the main consideration.