aut0exec wrote:

I'm in as always. Just not sure where I can help or how to get started really. Would love to help work fixes into SysV just don't possess the coding background at current to be of much use there, ha.

Reality check.  I didn't own a computer (which I didn't really want - it was a gift) till I was near 60.  I had zero technical background.  Then I wanted to "do things" so I taught myself . . . html and css from scratch in a text editor, graphics, audio and video editing, desktop theming etc .  If I didn't like something, I figured out how to fix it, even hacking the registry in my windoze days because I wanted things MY way.  My appetite for learning new things and experimenting may not be as voracious as it was all those years ago and tbh, I couldn't pull a bash script out of my head without DDG but I still manage to contribute to Devuan.  I bet you could find a niche that suits you if you looked hard enough.

Fair enough! I'll keep looking around. One thing that has come to mind as of late is Init scripts. Seems support for them has been dwindling (gitea recently cause me enough headaches with an outdated init script).

With extensions/packages. I don't think it would be appropriate to take up space on Devuan's servers to go into great detail here. If you decide to try it and need help, start a thread on forum.tinycorelinux.net or send me a personal message there (my user name is GNUser there, too).

Everything you need to know to get started is in the gratis e-book "Into the Core":
http://www.tinycorelinux.net/corebook.pdf

Ok fair enough, thanks.

Everything you need to know to get started is in the gratis e-book "Into the Core":
http://www.tinycorelinux.net/corebook.pdf

Here is the actual proposal: https://www.debian.org/vote/2019/vote_002
I've been watching this closely. Voting ends on December 27.

This year I learned to use OpenBSD and also Tiny Core Linux 64-bit (they call it "Pure64" for some reason). Both of these operating systems are completely immune to systemd nonsense. It doesn't hurt to have options...

Tiny Core uses Busybox init and is minimalistic in every regard, but can be built up to be a full desktop replacement OS. It has been my daily driver since August 2019 and at this point I've added enough polish to it that it does all I need. Warning: It is very much a do-it-yourself OS, similar to Arch Linux but even more extreme in its minimalism. I think Devuan users would find TCL much to their liking.

Hopefully Debian will do the right thing and my wanderings will have been for naught!

How did you manage video drivers on Tiny Core?

This year I learned to use OpenBSD and also Tiny Core Linux 64-bit (they call it "Pure64" for some reason). Both of these operating systems are completely immune to systemd nonsense. It doesn't hurt to have options...

Tiny Core uses Busybox init and is minimalistic in every regard, but can be built up to be a full desktop replacement OS. It has been my daily driver since August 2019 and at this point I've added enough polish to it that it does all I need. Warning: It is very much a do-it-yourself OS, similar to Arch Linux but even more extreme in its minimalism. I think Devuan users would find TCL much to their liking.

Hopefully Debian will do the right thing and my wanderings will have been for naught!

Have a look at how FreedomBox handles this: https://discuss.freedombox.org/c/contributor-invites

Maybe publishing a list with open problems that itself is a bit less verbose already would be good enough for Devuan?

Lists of what needs doing has never worked very well.  What works is someone seeing/experiencing a problem, figuring out how to fix it and sharing.

I'm in as always. Just not sure where I can help or how to get started really. Would love to help work fixes into SysV just don't possess the coding background at current to be of much use there, ha.

Reality check.  I didn't own a computer (which I didn't really want - it was a gift) till I was near 60.  I had zero technical background.  Then I wanted to "do things" so I taught myself . . . html and css from scratch in a text editor, graphics, audio and video editing, desktop theming etc .  If I didn't like something, I figured out how to fix it, even hacking the registry in my windoze days because I wanted things MY way.  My appetite for learning new things and experimenting may not be as voracious as it was all those years ago and tbh, I couldn't pull a bash script out of my head without DDG but I still manage to contribute to Devuan.  I bet you could find a niche that suits you if you looked hard enough.

Maybe publishing a list with open problems that itself is a bit less verbose already would be good enough for Devuan?

sgage wrote:

aut0exec wrote:

If Debian goes full systemd, what will this mean for Devuan?

Surely that is the question...

We'll need less yammering and more hands on deck to do actual work.

I'm in as always. Just not sure where I can help or how to get started really. Would love to help work fixes into SysV just don't possess the coding background at current to be of much use there, ha.

aut0exec wrote:

If Debian goes full systemd, what will this mean for Devuan?

Surely that is the question...

We'll need less yammering and more hands on deck to do actual work.

fsmithred wrote:

OK, I read A.6 and if I read it again, I'm sure I'll get a headache.

I think we're screwed. As I see it, there should only be two options on this vote:
1. systemd only
2. some kind of support for other inits.

Then if 2 wins, figure out the details.

Yea... Was wondering this exact thing when reading through the options. Lots of fragmented options for non-systemd.

If Debian goes full systemd, what will this mean for Devuan?

Surely that is the question...

OK, I read A.6 and if I read it again, I'm sure I'll get a headache.

I think we're screwed. As I see it, there should only be two options on this vote:
1. systemd only
2. some kind of support for other inits.

Then if 2 wins, figure out the details.

Yea... Was wondering this exact thing when reading through the options. Lots of fragmented options for non-systemd.

If Debian goes full systemd, what will this mean for Devuan?

OK, I read A.6 and if I read it again, I'm sure I'll get a headache.

I think we're screwed. As I see it, there should only be two options on this vote:
1. systemd only
2. some kind of support for other inits.

Then if 2 wins, figure out the details.

Exactly. But this way they can make it come out any way they want :-/

Yes, I think we're screwed.

I think we're screwed. As I see it, there should only be two options on this vote:
1. systemd only
2. some kind of support for other inits.

Then if 2 wins, figure out the details.

fsmithred wrote:

I'm not clear on what this means:

Majority Requirement

The proposals need a simple majority

From section A.3 of the constitution:

Options which do not have an explicit supermajority requirement have a 1:1 majority requirement.

So that would be >50% (I think).

But the counting is complicated, see section A.6 for the full breakdown:

https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution#item-A

simple and super majority. Talk about complicating matters. Debian is headed for the knackers yard if they keep this shenanigans up. Whats next, ultramajority and superultrasuprememajority, sigh.....