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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Odd message on booting a new install]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16882#p16882</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, it seemed to be the TDE widget, but when I removed network-manager-gnome it went away. Now I have re-installed network-manager-gnome and the little systray widget is in place. I&#039;ll not fuss about it anymore. That leaves the nvidia-driver spurious error message problem.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Micronaut)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jul 2019 01:25:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Odd message on booting a new install]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16880#p16880</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>If XFCE isn&#039;t autostarting the tray application then add it to the autostart list yourself:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>mkdir -p ~/.config/autostart
cp /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop ~/.config/autostart</code></pre></div>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2019 23:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Odd message on booting a new install]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16878#p16878</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>In the real world, unfortunately, &quot;should be&quot; and &quot;is&quot; are rarely the same thing. When I installed network-manager-gnome, I got the panel app in the menu, but no systray widget. Even after rebooting. But, as already described, when I rebooted into XFCE from testing KDE Trinity, the Trinity widget popped up in my systray. Still fussing with Trinity. It&#039;s interesting precisely because it is so blatantly &quot;old school&quot;. Sort of like Windows XP for Linux. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Micronaut)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2019 22:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Odd message on booting a new install]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16874#p16874</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The systray application is provided by /usr/bin/nm-applet, which is included in the network-manager-gnome package and should be autostarted by the XFCE desktop (or any other XDG autostart compliant desktop).</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Head_on_a_Stick)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2019 20:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16866#p16866</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Installing the network-manager-gnome package gives me a panel app in the system menu, but not a systray app. But... I went ahead and installed Trinity Desktop and tried it out. That deserves its own thread. When I restarted into XFCE again, the Trinity systray nm app popped up. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /> So now I have a triple-hybrid monstrosity desktop. Maybe I could remove network-manager-gnome and the Trinity panel app would appear?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Micronaut)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2019 14:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16866#p16866</guid>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Odd message on booting a new install]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16865#p16865</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>dxrobertson wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>From what I remember, XFCE likes network-manager-gnome package.&#160; Install that, it installs ontop of NM, so leave him alone.&#160; This *gnome package should provide an app called nm-applet.&#160; It will be a panel/sys tray app.&#160; </p><p>You may need to add the nm-applet to the panel/sys tray.&#160; Someone else with XFCE installed should take over from here as I am running on faded memories.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>As Micronaut says they prefer XFCE + selective gnome then, as you suggest, adding the relevant Gnome packages,until it works bits seems sensible. However interestingly the Devuan live CD&#160; chooses to uses XFCE with wicd for network management. I had the live CD .iso working and then installed on my setup to prove wireless (and other services) worked OK under Devuan on my system but I then went back and used the installation DVD .iso + advanced install to configure with RAID1 (mirrored drives) and Cinnamon. Cinnamon gives me the same toolkit (such as Rhythmbox for sound, Evolution for mail, Network Manager for WiFi) and interface as I had&#160; when I was using Mint (and before that Gnome 2 Ubuntu).</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Marjorie)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2019 11:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Odd message on booting a new install]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16863#p16863</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>From what I remember, XFCE likes network-manager-gnome package.&#160; Install that, it installs ontop of NM, so leave him alone.&#160; This *gnome package should provide an app called nm-applet.&#160; It will be a panel/sys tray app.&#160; </p><p>You may need to add the nm-applet to the panel/sys tray.&#160; Someone else with XFCE installed should take over from here as I am running on faded memories.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (dxrobertson)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jul 2019 00:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Odd message on booting a new install]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16862#p16862</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, I was using Mint 17.3 (Rosa) also, but it was the XFCE edition, and that is the default in Devuan anyway. I like XFCE, it&#039;s been my default Linux desktop for some time. I do have to admit that I was often borrowing things from Gnome to finish out my XFCE environment, at least until Gnome began to require systemd. Even used Nautilus as a file manager when Thunnar was too raw and undeveloped. I guess I should have tried Mate and Cinnamon. Maybe the accessories like the network manager widget are more complete in those.</p><p>After installing the network-manager package I have <em>not</em> found any graphical network management utilities of any sort. Not in the menus, and not in the list of available objects when adding things to the XFCE toolbar. Where would I look?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Micronaut)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2019 23:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16861#p16861</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>And to clarify on /etc/network/interfaces.&#160; Once NM is installed, it is my understanding that it will handle all eth0 and wlan0 network interface.&#160; I had the delays as you experienced on my installs and modifying the interfaces file fixed it once NM was installed. </p><p>/etc/network/interfaces should be this:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code># This file describes the network interfaces available on your system
# and how to activate them. For more information, see interfaces(5).

source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*

# The loopback network interface
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback</code></pre></div>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (dxrobertson)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2019 21:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Odd message on booting a new install]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16860#p16860</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Micronaut wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Question -- where do you find the controls/config for <em>NetworkManager?</em> It doesn&#039;t have any entries in the System or Settings menus.</p></div></blockquote></div><p>To be more specific, they are generally in the panel/system tray app.&#160; After installing NM, you may need to add the network panel app to the panel/system tray.&#160; This all depends on what desktop env you are using.&#160; What are you using; XFCE, LXQT, KDE, MATE....?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (dxrobertson)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2019 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Odd message on booting a new install]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16859#p16859</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>As you were coming from Mint (as I did - I was previously using ROSA which EOLed in April) I would have expected you to have gone with Cinammon as your DM - I&#039;m not clear from your post what you&#039;ve chosen), in which case you <em>should</em> have got a full Network Manager install as part of the package, including a panel notification icon (network@cinnamon.org). Clicking on the icon gets me into the configuration and it correctly shows my single ethernet port as unplugged. With the wireless there are 2 SSID shown and they are configurable there and there&#039;s also a toggle to switch the WiFi off completely.</p><p>Of course, that may not fix your boot problem as you say it may be an specific issue with your motherboard or its twin ethernet ports: mine&#039;s a Gigabyte board of 2011 vintage.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Marjorie)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2019 21:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Odd message on booting a new install]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16858#p16858</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The &quot;main&quot; Network Manager package name is network-manager (apt install network-manager).&#160; This will provide a panel app, or interface for one, that works in XFCE, LXQT, and KDE.&#160; Dont remember but XFCE might like network-manager-gnome better.&#160; The panel apps are full featured, like what Windows provides.&#160; Handles ethernet and wifi of course.</p><p>As @panopticon mentions, there is the nice nmtui console interface.&#160; There is also the nmcli commandline interface. </p><p>The config connections for NM are in /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/.&#160; But the panel apps provide full config in themselves.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (dxrobertson)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2019 21:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16857#p16857</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Well, both. I want to find a widget for the systray like I have had on both Windows and every other Debian distro I&#039;ve ever used. And I want to find the settings, either the text files (if necessary) or a more comprehensive graphical interface. If the widget can be clicked, that&#039;s fine. If it&#039;s on a menu, that&#039;s fine also.</p><p>I thought wicd was for Wifi only, but I&#039;ve also been struggling with a laptop and when I set wicd up, it does watch both the cable connection and the wifi. And it puts a widget on the task bar! At last resort, I may just use wicd even on my desktop systems. I don&#039;t plan to put wifi on them, but oh well... it manages direct cable connections, too. <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Micronaut)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2019 20:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=16854#p16854</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>@fsmithred: I don&#039;t think the quest here was about finding a program, but finding the config files of a program. Slight, but important nuance <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/wink.png" width="15" height="15" alt="wink" /></p><p>I&#039;m aware of mntui, used it several times even, but it&#039;s still a graphical front-end (be it console-based). Its man-page is rather limited in informational value though <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/roll.png" width="15" height="15" alt="roll" /></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Dutch_Master)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2019 19:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>There are different ways of hunting. I prefer the command line, but searching in synaptic should work, too.</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>~$ apt-cache policy network-manager
network-manager:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 1.6.2-3+devuan1.1
  Version table:
     1.6.2-3+devuan1.1 500
        500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages</code></pre></div>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (fsmithred)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jul 2019 18:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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