cynicfm wrote:

So i have bought libreboot machine (T500) but i am stuck with systemd arch linux now...

For my needs which is playing some linux games, browsing web this is enough for me... No issues with anything...
Maybe systemd is another OS inside linux thanks to systemctl or journalctl stuff but i am not sysadmin... :-(

SystemD means tons of problems for everyone. Maybe you don't see them now but they're in your system. Due to SystemD when something goes wrong you can't even understand where is the problem, so you can't fix it easily. It's not just about system administration itself. It's about reliability and control. When you have no control on your system it's definitely not a user-friendly situation.

If you like Arch you can try Artix Linux.

The only way ive found to fix systemd is to sudo wipefs --all /dev/sda and install devuan

So i have bought libreboot machine (T500) but i am stuck with systemd arch linux now...

For my needs which is playing some linux games, browsing web this is enough for me... No issues with anything...
Maybe systemd is another OS inside linux thanks to systemctl or journalctl stuff but i am not sysadmin... :-(

SystemD means tons of problems for everyone. Maybe you don't see them now but they're in your system. Due to SystemD when something goes wrong you can't even understand where is the problem, so you can't fix it easily. It's not just about system administration itself. It's about reliability and control. When you have no control on your system it's definitely not a user-friendly situation.

If you like Arch you can try Artix Linux.

i am stuck with systemd arch linux now

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OpenRC?

For my needs which is playing some linux games, browsing web this is enough for me... No issues with anything...
Maybe systemd is another OS inside linux thanks to systemctl or journalctl stuff but i am not sysadmin... :-(

i use gnu icecat browser version 56 (newest is 60) and its really good for my needs
is hyperbola arch based distro as i dont quite remember

For reasons of privacy/security. I wasn't knowing prior to that how bad windows was for security/privacy.

Personally though, as bad as systemd is, gnu/linux distros even debian is a wave of light compared to winblows 10 or winblows anything really... Windows is more like winbugs or winblows because of how much it sucks. 

Not that you would like the distro I currently use, even though it doesn't use systemd and is free software, but Hyperbola is free software and doesn't use systemd at all.

Why wouldn't you like it you may wonder... Because it is a bit of a pain to install with encryption unless you are using libreboot devices with FDE.  Also it is based off of archlinux and has a text mode install!

For me at first it was hard if not impossible, but since 0.2.2 or 0.2.3 releases and beyond,  it has been easy. Because I now understand what I am doing. They added the guide to full disk encryption for libreboot about then.

You need a libreboot device though for this method of encryption, unless you are a really big expert on partitioning. xD

Devuan + jxself.org's linux-libre-lts is the next best option personally. But devuan does have that damn pocket s*** enabled in firefox just like debian. 

I wish it was disabled by default. Who even uses that? ;p

Though to be honest, with Hyperbola they also ditch webext firefox which I also like, because webext is google garbage. Palemoon and Basilisk use XUL still, as does waterfox. But Basilisk has support for pre version 57 webext.

Noscript, Ublock origin, greasemonkey, privacy settings and random agent user spoof are my favorite addons for it.  Most are being maintained currently of those five for forks, except the last two.

Anywho that's just a bit of info about me, as for minifree.org and their libreboot laptops, I highly recommend you buy them. They require no blobs, and the only thing that is questionable is the EC FIRMWARE separate from Libreboot which as long as you buy from them, won't be updated.  but if you buy any of their devices, use transferwise to pay for the bill if you so desire to buy those laptops.  Otherwise, it could be very expensive given how banks operate.

I personally have an x200. It is nice and durable to the point where I stepped on part of it once, and even dropped it once and it was fine.  (NOT ON PURPOSE OF COURSE!) But yeah, you may have different results but long story short, you don't need any proprietary firmware or anything really questionable to run devuan or hyperbola or any free software distro on those computers. 

Long rant I know, but yeah, just a few thoughts of mine. As for why I ditched Fedora, debian and trisquel which were my first distros after winbugs 8.1,  Simply put to make it simple, I heard unsettling things about systemd and decided it was too questionable to trust. And the devs  also were said to be very hostile, I decided that made it even more suspicious.

Anyways, enjoy devuan!

ps, linux-libre-lts is found here:  https://jxself.org/linux-libre/

Oh, last thing if you get any computer whether from minifree.org or anywhere else, use Solid state drives, they the best for speed, battery saving and in general.

I really agree with your general attitude; I don't think I understood all of your text, but, being frustrated myself I can easily relate to (which is what my interpreted  views are of) you're opinion(s).

Having been using SuSE/OpenSuSE for 10 years+++, I was quite astonished when I became aware of what was going on with the 'systemd' agenda of the distro.

All the same, happy coding!!

Cheers,
Olav

Panopticon wrote:

Bit O/T but ive found on my machine that Devuan has the fastest transfer speeds via usb when c/p from hdd to usb or vice versa...Whatever is going on with Devuan and usb transfer speeds, it works really well.

Well that's strange.  Could any of the devs speak to this?

We need more information for that and a post should be open for that in more appropriate place.
In can be interresting information :
- hardware information
- package list with version
- details of file/s copy (size, number type)

Bit O/T but ive found on my machine that Devuan has the fastest transfer speeds via usb when c/p from hdd to usb or vice versa...Whatever is going on with Devuan and usb transfer speeds, it works really well.

Well that's strange.  Could any of the devs speak to this?

uhh i wanna play open-source games, write codes, scripts, learn how to modify open-source games, how to write them, how they're made, read lots of books... Windows games and proprietary software make these things impossible because they are against this. If i decide to play world of warcarft i spend 10 hours leveling my character while in the same time i could play open-source games and learn how to code ;/.

However i don't know where to begin. I used to like games very much but now the older i am i feel like it's not just games but my passion for open-source started to grow... I can say that open-source games and software needs lots of effort of people, and i really wish i could somewhat make open-source software world better than it is right now but i don't even know where to start.
I started with choosing Devuan OS, now i should finally stop playing windows games and get into free open-source games. But where to start, maybe i should complete some popular open-source gnu/linux games like strategies or battle for wesnoth or others... I don't know.
I played BfW with konrad and mage however i got stuck while killing queen in very last mission.
I also enjoyed playing baldurs gate however i didnt complete it and its not open-source at all...

I feel like proprietary windows online rpg games like world of warcraft, runescape and other just consume my brain ;/. I wish i could change that and stop playing windows online games at all and get into open-source online games. And if i don't like something in this game instead of begging developers for changing, i'd be able to change something for my needs.
Another thing is that i like Audacity and i am pretty sure it is somehow possible to modify this program for your own needs as well...

If Devuan meets your requirements, you don't need to look elsewhere. The community is not as big as Debian's but you will always get quality answers here. There are other distributions without systemd of course: antiX, Gentoo based distros or you could just check out Devuan derivatives: https://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros I don't know them all but I recommend one of those: Crowz, Miyo, Refracta, Star, Fluxuan.

cynicfm wrote:

Btw golinux i remember that u used to tell me off that i chat with people on #devuan and i should go chat on #devuan-fork instead, haha. I didnt have idea that you're administrator ;D

Yup.  And I carry a big stick!  LOLOLOLOL! I often try to move chat unrelated to Devuan from #devuan to #debianfork.  And I sometimes move topics here too.  Think of it as housecleaning.  Thanks for posting in the appropriate place on this forum.

No problem . Thanks for being there too...

and sorry for long posts its hard for me to gather my thoughts in just few sentences.

Btw golinux i remember that u used to tell me off that i chat with people on #devuan and i should go chat on #devuan-fork instead, haha. I didnt have idea that you're administrator ;D

Yup.  And I carry a big stick!  LOLOLOLOL! I often try to move chat unrelated to Devuan from #devuan to #debianfork.  And I sometimes move topics here too.  Think of it as housecleaning.  Thanks for posting in the appropriate place on this forum.

I wanted to say that i tried so many distros but now after trying i can say plenty of them i realised that they were waste of time.
I don't like this approach when people say: Windows 10 is shit, use linux, linux the best. Or linux bad macos best.
I believe everybody uses different distros for different reasons, however my last systemd distro was manjaro, and... yeah it looks modern and stuff like this and... that's it. I run my laptop and i feel like: What;s going on there???
At least here on devuan i really like synaptic package manager where there are lots of nice stuff to me. I can say devuan feels truly open source to me. Systemd distros like manjaro feel to me like: Okay this is something i can't change. What's the point of using this...

I am inexperienced, but using devuan gives me possibilities to even modify this system for my needs. Learning how to use linux is great. However unfortunately because i read linux format magazine i can say that it does become 'old-fashioned' distribution that nobody uses anymore. People who write magazines or can speak in public say systemd is great. Somebody may think i don't know what's systemd. I feel the same.
The reason why im anti-systemd is this website that i mentioned in first post. Somebody clearly says don't use systemd. Even when i had systemd distros i felt like: Okay this is quite okay, but guys from the website not gonna like me.

So i really wanna get into gnu/linux and open source software, however i am not gonna use new popular distros. I have noticed on forums of manjaro for example people have attitude like: Oh manjaro is so great oh god i love it so much. And then if somebody's gonna tell him windows 10 is great, i use it, he's gonna be like: oh damn you, windows 10 is not great!! i dont wanna talk to you!!! i use linux im better!!!
When i have devuan installed on my laptop i feel like: Yeah u use windows 10 somebody else use manjaro, and i don't care. We all use what we want, because we have choices.
I don't get why people that use these modern distros convice other people to stop using windows 10. Why creators of systemd wanna take over, i feel like people who took over gnu/linux wanna also take over windows 10 and make lots of money. Is that the right attitude??

Another thing is manjaro had steam pre-installed... I don't really use steam and neither i see any reason to play these games. Nice graphics?? No thanks... I choose open-source games. Even though i play runescape, i played it for long time. I can play it on devuan and in the meantime learn how the OS works, how to modify stuff and i wanna learn writing scripts too. Scripts based on modern popular distros?? No thanks. Scripts based on -sysvinit. Yes please.

I don't know how to explain how i feel about modern linux distros. I feel like some of them are gnu/linux and some of them are just linux...... I am not a coder or experienced IT guy but i know that linux is name of kernel and proper name is Gnu/Linux. Why in the linux format magazine i have never seen GNU/Linux, only linux...

I am happy that i found something like devuan. On other websites they tell you about intel management engine, about blobs they put to your computer. Pay 1100 dollars for laptop with PureOS. Its not gonna have blobs
With devuan i feel oh okay i havent got anything on my pc. I use what i want and it is nice. I don't use windows 10, i don't use new linux i don't use macbook. I use completely something different that most people. Wanna spy on me?? Cmon do it, maybe its gonna convice you to use Devuan, haha.

So i said i came back again to this distro and im staying here... I cant explain how i felt when i used mint or manjaro, but i guess i just felt very weird... Even my laptop has different energy with devuan on compared to manjaro or mint... Manjaro the best linux distro according to linux format magazine?? Right!! Maybe for you!!

Again thanks for reading

Btw golinux i remember that u used to tell me off that i chat with people on #devuan and i should go chat on #devuan-fork instead, haha. I didnt have idea that you're administrator ;D.

edit: Again big kudos for devuan creators. I learned on this distro much more than i did on other distros. Its like i can just install it install wine play windows games and be happy. But in the same time if i feel like i can learn something new and use it for something more than just playing windows games, i can!! It's like the OS listens to me, not i listen to the OS!