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Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (mknoop) — Sun, 20 May 2018 19:35:53 +0000

I had a related problem with a fresh installation of ascii with xfce4. The shutdown and restart buttons were disabled on the action button menu in the panel. Based on things I had seen in other forums, I installed policykit-1. It pulled in a few other packages. After a logout and login the problem was fixed.

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (rolfie) — Sat, 19 May 2018 09:01:45 +0000

Got my own fight ongoing with this issue: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2023

I just did a manual built graphical system based on ASCII RC in VBox. First installed xorg, the lightdm and finally mate. The console kit stuff was pulled by xorg already.

Regards, rolfie

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (figdev) — Sat, 19 May 2018 01:17:25 +0000

not sure why this was requested, or if it was advice but sure, no problem:

$ apt list --installed | grep libpolkit
libpolkit-agent-1-0/testing,now 0.105-18+devuan2.9 i386 [installed,automatic]
libpolkit-backend-1-0/testing,now 0.105-18+devuan2.9 all [installed,automatic]
libpolkit-backend-consolekit-1-0/testing,now 0.105-18+devuan2.9 i386 [installed]
libpolkit-gobject-1-0/testing,now 0.105-18+devuan2.9 all [installed,automatic]
libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0/testing,now 0.105-18+devuan2.9 i386 [installed]

$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v "#"
deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main
deb-src http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main

deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main

deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Sat, 19 May 2018 00:55:03 +0000

No, don't re-do your install. If you do, you'll get the task- package, and that might get in your way if you want to be selective about what parts to keep. (Try to remove one piece that the task package depends on, and your entire desktop goes on the autoremove list.)

I don't know if anyone gave you this link, but here are Irrwahn's instructions on which polkit libs you need:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8217#p8217

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (dxrobertson) — Sat, 19 May 2018 00:23:48 +0000

golinux, fsmithred-
Would it be of any benefit to redo my install and install kde-plasma-desktop FIRST and then lightdm? Do we care?

the reason I install kde-plasma-desktop as opposed to kde-standard is I am interested in a basic install with the least amount of extra software as possible.

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (dxrobertson) — Sat, 19 May 2018 00:05:21 +0000

figdev- the polkit version would be:

apt list --installed | grep libpolkit

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (dxrobertson) — Sat, 19 May 2018 00:00:10 +0000

fsmithred-
I get it now. Didnt realize the different implementations of polkit across various desktops. It makes total sense now why consolekit was installed by lightdm. Probably not much chance to standardize on a single implementation across the various environments?

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (figdev) — Fri, 18 May 2018 23:51:41 +0000

fsmithred wrote:

fig, I'm pretty sure you already are using elogind. Look under the hood.
elogind has been around for a few months. It was forked from gentoo. That, and the corresponding libraries allow us to offer more desktops in the installer.
It's elogind and libpam-elogind for kde, cinnamon and lxqt;
consolekit and libpam-ck-connector for xfce and mate.

a very understandable assumption, but incorrect; as i guessed, due to the fact that im running icewm, elogind is simply nowhere on the entire system.

there is in the fig os installer i think, even a .so with pam-elogind but it did not install, likely due to not being needed. would it if needed? probably-- havent tried it. very much of note: this system was dist-upgraded from devuan/refracta/fig os jessie. that could be it, too.

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (dxrobertson) — Fri, 18 May 2018 23:39:17 +0000

After thinking about this, elogind must be production status. There is no beta in the name. I would assume Gentoo has something to do with it, thus its solid.

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (fsmithred) — Fri, 18 May 2018 23:36:53 +0000

fig, I'm pretty sure you already are using elogind. Look under the hood.

elogind has been around for a few months. It was forked from gentoo. That, and the corresponding libraries allow us to offer more desktops in the installer.

It's elogind and libpam-elogind for kde, cinnamon and lxqt;
consolekit and libpam-ck-connector for xfce and mate.

lxde is a little more confusing, because it can provide a couple more 'kits to get in the way. It's possible to install and use it, but it wasn't coming out of the box right, so we removed it from the tasksel list.

And those are not the only combinations that work.

I made a chart when the beta was released, but it's obsolete. Things have changed.

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (figdev) — Fri, 18 May 2018 22:55:03 +0000

thanks very much, exactly the sort of response (positive, negative or just realistic) i was looking for.

i will probably be using elogind before i know it; since its rare that i run a de more complex than icewm (i have sometimes) i guess it could be a while, unless it comes in anyway.

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (dxrobertson) — Fri, 18 May 2018 22:46:04 +0000

From my user perspective, not sure of the beta/prod status of elogind; seems to be production to me. I have Devuan 2 running on 3 pcs as daily use with elogind and havent had any problems. elogind seems to be a viable solution to polkit problems when not using systemd; a very good thing.

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (figdev) — Fri, 18 May 2018 22:10:47 +0000

slightly related: is elogind still "beta" like or how long has it been in common use in devuan?

its a vague question that welcomes a vague answer-- about a component being used as part of a solution (or seemingly related to) software talked about in this thread. just looking for a simple opinion (at least that suffices) from a user or anybody familiar.

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (dxrobertson) — Fri, 18 May 2018 22:03:53 +0000

@fsmithred-
That seems to be the situation I encountered. It was the lightdm install (done first, no desktop yet) that installed consolekit (and not elogind). Then the kde-plasma-desktop install performed after didnt install/care about libpolkit.

Perhaps in regards to golinux post; I have also installed desktop and kde "properly" by selecting them both at software install selection time and the correct elogind stuff does get installed, no issues there; so thats good.

Re: Manual Install Lightdm Polkit Problem

dummy@example.com (golinux) — Fri, 18 May 2018 21:46:01 +0000

@fsmithred . . . would be a good idea to have a thread here listing backend combos needed for each desktop that we could link to.