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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What proprietary software does Devuan install by default?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello, <strong>golinux</strong>.</p><p>The commands that fsmithred and GNUser told me about, are very good tools, indeed. But, unfortunately, they don&#039;t really solve my problem. (With this being the reason why I proceed to ask so many questions.)</p><p>I really am sorry if I&#039;m being a PITA... But, the problem I see with this default inclusion of non-free software, is that it can violate people&#039;s security and also ethical principles or concerns - with that only being &quot;solved&quot; <em>after</em> those two things have already occurred.</p><p>And, to be more explicit, I can give you an example.</p><p>I have an old laptop that can use, on its Wi-Fi card for its &quot;free&quot; driver, either (1) an incomplete (but functional, and completely) free firmware, or (2) a complete proprietary firmware.</p><p>And, on a FSF-approved distro that I tried, that (incomplete, but functional) free firmware is the one that is installed, and I can use my laptop with no problems.</p><p>Let&#039;s say that the alternative proprietary Wi-Fi firmware (of which we don&#039;t know the source code) might be able to steal my Wi-Fi password and send it somewhere else on the Internet. And, let&#039;s say that Devuan installs such proprietary firmware without telling me anything about it, I naively think that it must have installed the free one instead, and I only discover what really happened at the end of the installation, after having used my Wi-Fi password to proceed with such installation...</p><p>If that proprietary Wi-Fi firmware is really capable of stealing my password, then it will already be too late.</p><p>As I&#039;ve just said in another thread, in here (<a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8377#p8377" rel="nofollow">https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8377#p8377</a>) <span class="bbu">the problem I have with all non-free software, is that I see it all as potentially dangerous</span> (ex: <a href="https://linux.slashdot.org/story/07/08/26/1312256/skype-linux-reads-password-and-firefox-profile" rel="nofollow">https://linux.slashdot.org/story/07/08/ … ox-profile</a>).</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Fernando Negro)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2018 23:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What proprietary software does Devuan install by default?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Fernando Negro wrote:</cite><blockquote><div><p>Thank you very much for all those commands (that I didn&#039;t know the existence of).</p><p>I wasn&#039;t able yet to successfully install any version of Devuan on my computer (I&#039;m waiting for the next stable release, that should be as functional on my computer as Debian 9) - but, I&#039;ve tested all those commands in Debian already, and they work very well.</p><p>(That&#039;s a great way, then, to clear any doubts as to what type of software one has had installed on his/her computer.)</p></div></blockquote></div><p>Self-verification should put your mind at ease.&#160; In the meantime, please just take a deep breath and try not to let your imagination take you down paths that are stressful for you and waste all our time and energy.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (golinux)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2018 20:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What proprietary software does Devuan install by default?]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8372#p8372</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>If you take a look into the sources.list you will see that on security updates is non-free by default and you can add contrib non-free and activate them or deactivate before any install just install the netinst with the base and then log in as root and nano /etc/apt/ sources.list and delete the non-free and apt-get update and install only free software or add contrib non-free and install whatever you whant pretty simple the repos are almost the same with debian ones just the systemd is banned</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (wdq)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2018 18:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What proprietary software does Devuan install by default?]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8370#p8370</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p><strong>fsmithred</strong> and <strong>GNUser</strong>,</p><p>Thank you very much for all those commands (that I didn&#039;t know the existence of).</p><p>I wasn&#039;t able yet to successfully install any version of Devuan on my computer (I&#039;m waiting for the next stable release, that should be as functional on my computer as Debian 9) - but, I&#039;ve tested all those commands in Debian already, and they work very well.</p><p>(That&#039;s a great way, then, to clear any doubts as to what type of software one has had installed on his/her computer.)</p><p><strong>Panopticon</strong> and <strong>everyone</strong>,</p><p>The issue here is to really (know how to) know: &quot;What proprietary software does Devuan install by default?&quot;</p><p><em>(My critique concerning the inclusion of this type of software, by default, has been left by me in/to another thread - and, I really just want to know here what I&#039;m asking.)</em></p><p>And, concerning what I ask, nevertheless, I didn&#039;t get an exact answer...</p><p>I know, then, that Devuan installs some proprietary Wi-Fi firmware, when installing the OS itself. And, having I checked the &quot;/firmware&quot; directory in the &quot;netinst.iso&quot; installation image, I can see there other types of firmware also. But,</p><p>1) Is the firmware in this directory the only non-free software that the Devuan installer uses? (That is, are there any other non-free packages/software present in the installation media, in other directories?)</p><p>And, concerning the previous question...</p><p>2) Is the installation of this non-free type of software something that Devuan&#039;s installer can only do by using packages already included in the installation media itself?</p><p>3) Or, in a &quot;Net Install&quot; or other, if Devuan&#039;s installer wants, it can activate the &quot;contrib&quot; or &quot;non-free&quot; repositories and use those to download non-free software from the Internet (with this being the reason why these repositories are left activated, in the &quot;sources.list&quot;, after the installation)?</p><p>4) Also, is the user always <strong>asked</strong>, or at least <strong>warned</strong>, about the installation of this type of non-free software?</p><p>5) And, is the non-free CPU microcode included in the installation media only run during the installation, or also installed on the computer?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Fernando Negro)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2018 17:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What proprietary software does Devuan install by default?]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8367#p8367</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Easiest way to see all contrib and non-free packages installed on your computer. In terminal:<br />First run: <span class="bbc">sudo apt-get install vrms</span> (vrms stands for &quot;virtual Richard M. Stallman&quot; <img src="http://dev1galaxy.org/img/smilies/smile.png" width="15" height="15" alt="smile" />)<br />Then run: <span class="bbc">vrms</span></p><p>This is what you want to see:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>bruno@thinkpad:~$ vrms

No non-free or contrib packages installed on thinkpad!  rms would be proud.</code></pre></div><p>If not all packages on your system are free (and 100% free is what you want), just uninstall all the dirt that vrms digs up.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (GNUser)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2018 13:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What proprietary software does Devuan install by default?]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8343#p8343</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Mine show this on a ascii openbox system i am using as an everyday driver.</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>~$ dpkg-query -W --showformat=&#039;${Package}\t${Section}\n&#039; |grep -e non-free -e contrib
firmware-brcm80211	non-free/kernel
firmware-realtek	non-free/kernel
ttf-mscorefonts-installer	contrib/fonts</code></pre></div><p>The ms fonts are there only because i want to try them out against other gnu fonts. I think in some circumstances the non free drivers for network capability are warranted, but i suppose that is not the issue here, this thread sounds very much like a repeat of another.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Panopticon)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2018 14:00:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: What proprietary software does Devuan install by default?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>1) You can mount an installer iso and look in /firmware to see what packages are there. I think it&#039;s just wireless firmware so people who only have wireless can install.</p><p>2) There is no devuan kernel. It&#039;s the debian kernel, unchanged.</p><p>3.) What proprietary software was installed on your system? I don&#039;t get any in my installs unless I tell the installer to use my wireless interface.<br />You can run the following command to check:</p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>dpkg-query -W --showformat=&#039;${Package}\t${Section}\n&#039; |grep -e non-free -e contrib</code></pre></div><p> or </p><div class="codebox"><pre><code>    aptitude search ~i~s&quot;non-free~|contrib&quot;
or
    aptitude search ~i~snon-free ~i~scontrib</code></pre></div><p>or else install vrms and run it.</p><p>2) (The first &quot;2&quot;): non-free in sources.list is a bug that has been fixed. You can check that at git.devuan.org if you need to confirm it.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (fsmithred)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2018 13:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[What proprietary software does Devuan install by default?]]></title>
			<link>http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8335#p8335</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I recently found out that, instead of behaving like Debian&#039;s - that only installs proprietary firmware on your computer if you decide to add it yourself to the installation - Devuan&#039;s installer (1) contains proprietary firmware in it, and (2) leaves the &quot;contrib&quot; and &quot;non-free&quot; repositories activated, after the installation, supposedly or reportedly because of some &quot;bug&quot;.</p><p>(<a href="https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8292#p8292" rel="nofollow">https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=8292#p8292</a>)</p><p>So, having I noticed that the (serious) concern for not including any proprietary software by default, that Debian has, has not passed on to Devuan... I would like to know the following.</p><p>1) Is Wi-Fi proprietary firmware the only non-free thing that was added by Devuan to the original Debian installer?</p><p>2) Is Devuan&#039;s kernel (Linux) also rid of any proprietary firmware, just like Debian&#039;s?</p><p>3) Is there any other proprietary firmware or software that Devuan installs by default?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Fernando Negro)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2018 09:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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